Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 1.19 ¶4–5 — Epictetus
From “How We Should Behave to Tyrants”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 1.19 ¶4–5
What then? when absurd notions about things independent of our will, as if they were good and (or) bad, lie at the bottom of our opinions, we must of necessity pay regard to tyrants; for I wish that men would pay regard to tyrants only, and not also to the bedchamber men. How is it that the man becomes all at once wise, when Caesar has made him superintendent of the close stool? How is it that we say immediately, “Felicion spoke sensibly to me.” I wish he were ejected from the bedchamber, that he might again appear to you to be a fool. Epaphroditus had a shoemaker whom he sold because he was good for nothing. This fellow by some good luck was bought by one of Caesar’s men, and became Caesar’s shoemaker. You should have seen what respect Epaphroditus paid to him: “How does the good Felicion do, I pray?” Then if any of us asked, “What is master (Epaphroditus) doing?” the answer was, “He is consulting about something with Felicion.” Had he not sold the man as good for nothing? Who then made him wise all at once? This is an instance of valuing something else than the things which depend on the will.
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Epictetus, Discourses 1.19 ¶4–5, tr. George Long (1877)
https://whatwouldstoicsdo.com/passage/discourses/1.19.4
Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesPeople suddenly find a man wise and respectable the moment he gains a position close to power, even if he was a nobody the day before. This shows how easily we are dazzled by status instead of judging by character, and how much we value things that are not in our control.
Older wording
- “close stool”
- — a stool with a chamber pot, a toilet
- “bedchamber men”
- — the emperor's personal attendants
- “Caesar”
- — the Roman emperor
Themes and situations
- Reputation and others' opinions
- Ambition and success
- Judgements and impressions
- Pride and humility
- Money, status and wanting more
- Handling success
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