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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 1.9 ¶7 — Epictetus

From “How from the Fact That We Are Akin to God a Man May Proceed to the Consequences”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 1.9 ¶7

Thus also Musonius Rufus, in order to try me, used to say: This and this will befall you from your master; and when I replied that these were things which happen in the ordinary course of human affairs. Why then, said he, should I ask him for anything when I can obtain it from you? For, in fact, what a man has from himself, it is superfluous and foolish to receive from another? Shall I then, who am able to receive from myself greatness of soul and a generous spirit, receive from you land and money or a magisterial office? I hope not: I will not be so ignorant about my own possessions. But when a man is cowardly and mean, what else must be done for him than to write letters as you would about a corpse. Please to grant us the body of a certain person and a sextarius of poor blood. For such a person is, in fact, a carcass and a sextarius (a certain quantity) of blood, and nothing more. But if he were anything more, he would know that one man is not miserable through the means of another.
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Epictetus, Discourses 1.9 ¶7, tr. George Long (1877)

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There is no point asking another person for what you can supply yourself, such as greatness of soul and a generous spirit, so you need not beg for land, money or office. Someone cowardly and mean is little more than a carcass, but anyone who knows his own worth knows that one person cannot make him miserable.

Older wording

“sextarius”
— a small Roman liquid measure, roughly half a litre
“magisterial office”
— a public post as a Roman magistrate

Themes and situations

  • What is in our control
  • Freedom
  • Courage
  • Virtue and character
  • Wealth and poverty
  • A difficult boss
  • A career setback

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