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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 2.17 ¶5 — Epictetus

From “How We Must Adapt Preconceptions to Particular Cases”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 2.17 ¶5

When you have such a guide and your wishes and desires are the same as his, why do you still fear disappointment? Give up your desire to wealth and your aversion to poverty, and you will be disappointed in the one, you will fall into the other. Well give them up to health, and you will be unfortunate: give them up to magistracies, honors, country, friends, children, in a word to any of the things which are not in man’s power (and you will be unfortunate). But give them up to Zeus and to the rest of the gods; surrender them to the gods, let the gods govern, let your desire and aversion be ranged on the side of the gods, and wherein will you be any longer unhappy? But if, lazy wretch, you envy, and complain, and are jealous, and fear, and never cease for a single day complaining both of yourself and of the gods, why do you still speak of being educated? What kind of an education, man? Do you mean that you have been employed about sophistical syllogisms (συλλογισμοὺς μεταπίπτοντας)? Will you not, if it is possible, unlearn all these things and begin from the beginning, and see at the same time that hitherto you have not even touched the matter; and then commencing from this foundation, will you not build up all that comes after, so that nothing may happen which you do not choose, and nothing shall fail to happen which you do choose?
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.17 ¶5, tr. George Long (1877)

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Chasing wealth, health, office or even family as though they guaranteed happiness leads to disappointment, because they are not in your power. Hand your wishes and fears over to the way things are and you can no longer be frustrated; if you keep envying and complaining, your education has not touched the real issue, so go back to the foundations and learn to want only what cannot be denied you.

Older wording

“aversion”
— what you try to avoid or fear
“magistracies”
— public offices
“sophistical syllogisms”
— tricky logic puzzles

Themes and situations

  • Desire and craving
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Envy and comparison
  • What is in our control
  • Learning and progress
  • Envy and comparison
  • Anxiety about the future
  • Money, status and wanting more

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