Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 2.24 ¶3 — Epictetus
From “To (Or Against) a Person Who Was One of Those Who Were Not Valued (Esteemed) by Him”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 2.24 ¶3
Why then do you say nothing to me? I can only say this to you, that he who knows not who he is, and for what purpose he exists, and what is this world, and with whom he is associated, and what things are the good and the bad, and the beautiful and the ugly, and who neither understands discourse nor demonstration, nor what is true nor what is false, and who is not able to distinguish them, will neither desire according to nature nor turn away nor move towards, nor intend (to act), nor assent nor dissent, nor suspend his judgment: to say all in a few words, he will go about dumb and blind, thinking that he is somebody, but being nobody. Is this so now for the first time? Is it not the fact that ever since the human race existed, all errors and misfortunes have arisen through this ignorance? Why did Agamemnon and Achilles quarrel with one another? Was it not through not knowing what things are profitable and not profitable? Does not the one say it is profitable to restore Chryseis to her father, and does not the other say that it is not profitable? Does not the one say that he ought to take the prize of another, and does not the other say that he ought not? Did they not for these reasons forget, both who they were and for what purpose they had come there? Oh, man, for what purpose did you come? to gain mistresses or to fight? “To fight.” With whom? the Trojans or the Hellenes? “With the Trojans.” Do you then leave Hector alone and draw your sword against your own king? And do you, most excellent Sir, neglect the duties of the king, you who are the people’s guardian and have such cares? and are you quarrelling about a little girl with the most warlike of your allies, whom you ought by every means to take care of and protect? and do you become worse than (inferior to) a well behaved priest who treats you these fine gladiators with all respect? Do you see what kind of things ignorance of what is profitable does?
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.24 ¶3, tr. George Long (1877)
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Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesSomeone who does not know who they are, what they are here for and what is truly good or bad goes through life blind and confused, thinking they are somebody. Most errors and misfortunes, even the quarrel between Agamemnon and Achilles that nearly wrecked the Greek army, come from not knowing what is truly worth having, which makes people forget their duty to those they serve.
Older wording
- “assent”
- — agree to an impression as true
- “profitable”
- — beneficial
Themes and situations
- Judgements and impressions
- Anger
- Duty and roles
- Virtue and character
- Learning and progress
- Conflict at work
- Being angry with someone
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