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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 2.5 ¶5 — Epictetus

From “How Magnanimity Is Consistent with Care”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 2.5 ¶5

How then is it said that some external things are according to nature and others contrary to nature? It is said as it might be said if we were separated from union (or society): for to the foot I shall say that it is according to nature for it to be clean; but if you take it as a foot and as a thing not detached (independent), it will befit it both to step into the mud and tread on thorns, and sometimes to be cut off for the good of the whole body; otherwise it is no longer a foot. We should think in some such way about ourselves also. What are you? A man. If you consider yourself as detached from other men, it is according to nature to live to old age, to be rich, to be healthy. But if you consider yourself as a man and a part of a certain whole, it is for the sake of that whole that at one time you should be sick, at another time take a voyage and run into danger, and at another time be in want, and in some cases die prematurely. Why then are you troubled? Do you not know, that as a foot is no longer a foot if it is detached from the body, so you are no longer a man if you are separated from other men. For what is a man? A part of a state, of that first which consists of Gods and of men; then of that which is called next to it, which is a small image of the universal state. What then, must I be brought to trial; must another have a fever, another sail on the sea, another die, and another be condemned? Yes, for it is impossible in such a body, in such a universe of things, among so many living together, that such things should not happen, some to one and others to others. It is your duty then, since you are come here, to say what you ought, to arrange these things as it is fit. Then someone says, “I shall charge you with doing me wrong.” Much good may it do you: I have done my part; but whether you also have done yours, you must look to that; for there is some danger of this too, that it may escape your notice.
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Considered alone, a foot should stay clean, but as part of a body it must sometimes tread in mud or even be cut off for the whole. You are likewise part of a human community and an ordered universe, so illness, risk, need or an early death striking some people is to be expected, and you should do your own part well rather than be troubled.

Older wording

“according to nature”
— in keeping with the natural order
“detached”
— separated from the whole

Themes and situations

  • Acceptance and fate
  • Community and our duty to others
  • Nature and the cosmos
  • Duty and roles
  • Illness and the body
  • Illness or diagnosis
  • Losing money
  • Fear of death

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