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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.15 ¶2 — Epictetus

From “That We Ought to Proceed with Circumspection to Everything”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.15 ¶2

Man, consider first what the matter is (which you propose to do), then your own nature also, what it is able to bear. If you are a wrestler, look at your shoulders, your thighs, your loins: for different men are naturally formed for different things. Do you think that, if you do (what you are doing daily), you can be a philosopher? Do you think that you can eat as you do now, drink as you do now, and in the same way be angry and out of humor? You must watch, labor, conquer certain desires, you must depart from your kinsmen, be despised by your slave, laughed at by those who meet you, in everything you must be in an inferior condition, as to magisterial office, in honors, in courts of justice. When you have considered all these things completely, then, if you think proper, approach to philosophy, if you would gain in exchange for these things freedom from perturbations, liberty, tranquillity. If you have not considered these things, do not approach philosophy: do not act like children, at one time a philosopher, then a tax collector, then a rhetorician, then a procurator (officer) of Caesar. These things are not consistent. You must be one man either good or bad: you must either labor at your own ruling faculty or at external things: you must either labor at things within or at external things: that is, you must either occupy the place of a philosopher or that of one of the vulgar.
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.15 ¶2, tr. George Long (1877)

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Before committing to a philosophical life, ask honestly what it demands and whether you can bear it: changing your daily habits, being laughed at, giving up status and honours. If freedom and calm are worth that price, commit fully, because you cannot be a philosopher one day and a bureaucrat the next.

Older wording

“ruling faculty”
— your reasoning mind
“procurator”
— a Roman official who managed the emperor's finances in a province
“perturbations”
— emotional disturbances

Themes and situations

  • Learning and progress
  • Preparing for difficulty
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Peace of mind
  • Freedom
  • A hard decision
  • Searching for meaning

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