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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.5 ¶3 — Epictetus

From “Against Those Who on Account of Sickness Go Away Home”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.5 ¶3

But what does Socrates say? As one man, he says, is pleased with improving his land, another with improving his horse, so I am daily pleased in observing that I am growing better. “Better in what? in using nice little words?” Man, do not say that. “In little matters of speculation (θεωρήματα)?” what are you saying? “And indeed I do not see what else there is on which philosophers employ their time.” Does it seem nothing to you to have never found fault with any person, neither with God nor man? to have blamed nobody? to carry the same face always in going out and coming in? This is what Socrates knew, and yet he never said that he knew anything or taught anything. But if any man asked for nice little words or little speculations, he would carry him to Protagoras or to Hippias; and if any man came to ask for potherbs, he would carry him to the gardener. Who then among you has this purpose (motive to action)? for if indeed you had it, you would both be content in sickness, and in hunger, and in death. If any among you has been in love with a charming girl, he knows that I say what is true.
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.5 ¶3, tr. George Long (1877)

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True progress is measured by character, not clever talk: finding fault with nobody, blaming neither people nor the gods, and wearing the same calm face coming and going. A person who takes the same pleasure in growing better as a farmer takes in improving his land would stay content through sickness, hunger and death.

Older wording

“potherbs”
— herbs and vegetables for cooking
“speculation”
— abstract theorising

Themes and situations

  • Learning and progress
  • Peace of mind
  • Virtue and character
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Resilience and endurance
  • Searching for meaning

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