Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 3.7 ¶4 — Epictetus
From “To the Administrator of the Free Cities Who Was an Epicurean”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 3.7 ¶4
“But I am rich and I want nothing.” Why then do you pretend to be a philosopher? Your golden and your silver vessels are enough for you. What need have you of principles (opinions)? “But I am also a judge (κριτής) of the Greeks.” Do you know how to judge? Who taught you to know? “Caesar wrote to me a codicil.” Let him write and give you a commission to judge of music; and what will be the use of it to you? Still how did you become a judge? whose hand did you kiss? the hand of Symphorus or Numenius? Before whose bedchamber have you slept? To whom have you sent gifts? Then do you not see that to be a judge is just of the same value as Numenius is? “But I can throw into prison any man whom I please.” So you can do with a stone. “But I can beat with sticks whom I please.” So you may an ass. This is not a governing of men. Govern us as rational animals: show us what is profitable to us, and we will follow it: show us what is unprofitable, and we will turn away from it. Make us imitators of yourself, as Socrates made men imitators of himself. For he was like a governor of men, who made them subject to him their desires, their aversion, their movements towards an object and their turning away from it.—Do this: do not do this: if you do not obey, I will throw you into prison.—This is not governing men like rational animals. But I (say): As Zeus has ordained, so act: if you do not act so, you will feel the penalty, you will be punished.—What will be the punishment? Nothing else than not having done your duty: you will lose the character of fidelity, modesty, propriety. Do not look for greater penalties than these.
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.7 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)
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In plain English
AI-written notesHaving wealth, an official post or the power to imprison or beat people is not the same as governing well; real leadership shows people what is good for them and makes them imitators, as Socrates did, instead of relying on threats. The real penalty for failing in duty is losing your own integrity, modesty and good character.
Older wording
- “codicil”
- — a short written addition or appointment letter
- “propriety”
- — proper, fitting behaviour
- “fidelity”
- — faithfulness
Themes and situations
- Leadership and power
- Virtue and character
- Justice and fairness
- Pride and humility
- Wealth and poverty
- Leading others
- Handling success
- A difficult boss
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