Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 4.13 ¶4 — Epictetus
From “Against or to Those Who Readily Tell Their Own Affairs”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 4.13 ¶4
“True: but I trust you; you do not trust me.”—In the first place, not even do you trust me, but you are a babbler, and for this reason you cannot hold anything; for indeed, if it is true that you trust me, trust your affairs to me only; but now whenever you see a man at leisure, you seat yourself by him and say: “Brother, I have no friend more benevolent than you nor dearer; I request you to listen to my affairs.” And you do this even to those who are not known to you at all. But if you really trust me, it is plain that you trust me because I am faithful and modest, not because I have told my affairs to you. Allow me then to have the same opinion about you. Show me that if one man tells his affairs to another, he who tells them is faithful and modest. For if this were so, I would go about and tell my affairs to every man, if that would make me faithful and modest. But the thing is not so, and it requires no common opinions (principles). If then you see a man who is busy about things not dependent on his will and subjecting his will to them, you must know that this man has ten thousand persons to compel and hinder him. He has no need of pitch or the wheel to compel him to declare what he knows: but a little girl’s nod, if it should so happen, will move him, the blandishment of one who belongs to Caesar’s court, desire of a magistracy or of an inheritance, and things without end of that sort. You must remember then among general principles that secret discourses (discourses about secret matters) require fidelity and corresponding opinions. But where can we now find these easily? Or if you cannot answer that question, let someone point out to me a man who can say: I care only about the things which are my own, the things which are not subject to hindrance, the things which are by nature free. This I hold to be the nature of the good: but let all other things be as they are allowed; I do not concern myself.
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Epictetus, Discourses 4.13 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)
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In plain English
AI-written notesTelling someone your secrets does not make you trustworthy, and trust should follow from a person's character, not from swapping confidences. People who depend on favours, office or inheritance can be coaxed into revealing anything, so keep secret matters for those who are faithful and care only about what is truly theirs.
Older wording
- “babbler”
- — someone who talks too much
- “blandishment”
- — flattery or coaxing
- “pitch or the wheel”
- — tools of torture
Themes and situations
- Speech and silence
- Friendship
- What is in our control
- Virtue and character
- Trouble with a friend
- Betrayal
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