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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Fragments 35 — Epictetus

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Fragments 35

Quarrelling and contention are everywhere foolish, and particularly in talk over wine they are unbecoming: for a man who is drunk could not teach a man who is sober, nor on the other hand could a drunken man be convinced by a sober man. But where there is not sobriety, it will appear that to no purpose have you laboured for the result of persuasion.
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Arguing is pointless anywhere and especially over drinks: a drunk person cannot be taught by someone sober, nor persuaded by them. If the other person is not in a clear state of mind, your effort to convince them is wasted.

Older wording

“contention”
— quarrelling or heated dispute
“sobriety”
— being sober and clear-headed

Themes and situations

  • Speech and silence
  • Anger
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Judgements and impressions
  • Everyday irritations

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