Diogenes Laërtius · fl. 3rd century CE
Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.124 — Diogenes Laërtius on the Stoics
Translation by R. D. Hicks (1925)
Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.124
Reported speech · Diogenes Laërtius on the Stoics
And the wise man, they say, will offer prayers, and ask for good things from the gods: so Posidonius in the first book of his treatise On Duties, and Hecato in his third book On Paradoxes. Friendship, they declare, exists only between the wise and good, by reason of their likeness to one another. And by friendship they mean a common use of all that has to do with life, wherein we treat our friends as we should ourselves. They argue that a friend is worth having for his own sake and that it is a good thing to have many friends. But among the bad there is, they hold, no such thing as friendship, and thus no bad man has a friend. Another of their tenets is that the unwise are all mad, inasmuch as they are not wise but do what they do from that madness which is the equivalent of their folly.
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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.124 (on the Stoics), tr. R. D. Hicks (1925)
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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, Book VII, tr. R. D. Hicks (Loeb, 1925). Text: Perseus Digital Library (CC BY-SA 4.0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesTrue friendship, in the Stoic view, exists only between good people and means sharing everything about life and treating a friend as you treat yourself. A friend is worth having for their own sake and many friends are a good thing. The wise also pray, and the foolish are all a kind of mad.
Older wording
- “tenets”
- — core beliefs of a school
- “ask for good things”
- — pray to the gods for what is truly good
Themes and situations
- Friendship
- Community and our duty to others
- Virtue and character
- Trouble with a friend
- Loneliness
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