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Diogenes Laërtius · fl. 3rd century CE

Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.22 — Diogenes Laërtius on Zeno

Translation by R. D. Hicks (1925)

Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.22

Reported speech · Diogenes Laërtius on Zeno

A Rhodian, who was handsome and rich, but nothing more, insisted on joining his class; but so unwelcome was this pupil, that first of all Zeno made him sit on the benches that were dusty, that he might soil his cloak, and then he consigned him to the place where the beggars sat, that he might rub shoulders with their rags; so at last the young man went away. Nothing, he declared, was more unbecoming than arrogance, especially in the young. He used also to say that it was not the words and expressions that we ought to remember, but we should exercise our mind in disposing to advantage of what we hear, instead of, as it were, tasting a well-cooked dish or well-dressed meal. The young, he thought, should behave with perfect propriety in walk, gait and dress, and he used continually to quote the lines of Euripides about Capaneus: Large means had he, yet not the haughtiness That springs from wealth, nor cherished prouder thoughts Of vain ambition than the poorest man.
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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.22 (on Zeno), tr. R. D. Hicks (1925)

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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, Book VII, tr. R. D. Hicks (Loeb, 1925). Text: Perseus Digital Library (CC BY-SA 4.0). Sources and licences

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Zeno drove away a rich, handsome student who had nothing else to offer by seating him among beggars, saying nothing is uglier than arrogance, especially in the young. Students should put what they hear to use, not just savour it like a fancy meal. A poem praises a man whose wealth never made him haughty.

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“unbecoming”
— inappropriate, not fitting
“propriety”
— proper, respectful behaviour
“haughtiness”
— arrogant pride

Themes and situations

  • Pride and humility
  • Wealth and poverty
  • Simplicity and frugality
  • Learning and progress
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Handling success
  • Money, status and wanting more

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