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Diogenes Laërtius · fl. 3rd century CE

Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.25 — Diogenes Laërtius on Zeno

Translation by R. D. Hicks (1925)

Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.25

Reported speech · Diogenes Laërtius on Zeno

According to Hippobotus he forgathered with Diodorus, with whom he worked hard at dialectic. And when he was already making progress, he would enter Polemo’s school: so far from all selfconceit was he. In consequence Polemo is said to have addressed him thus: “You slip in, Zeno, by the garden door—I’m quite aware of it—you filch my doctrines and give them a Phoenician make-up.” A dialectician once showed him seven logical forms concerned with the sophism known as “The Reaper,” and Zeno asked him how much he wanted for them. Being told a hundred drachmas, he promptly paid two hundred: to such lengths would he go in his love of learning. They say too that he first introduced the word Duty and wrote a treatise on the subject. It is said, moreover, that he corrected Hesiod’s lines thus: He is best of all men who follows good advice: good too is he who finds out all things for himself.
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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, Book VII, tr. R. D. Hicks (Loeb, 1925). Text: Perseus Digital Library (CC BY-SA 4.0). Sources and licences

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Even once he was making progress, Zeno kept learning from other teachers and happily overpaid for a lesson, showing he had no pride about needing teachers. He is credited with introducing duty as a topic, and with reversing a poet's ranking so that taking good advice counts as better than working everything out alone.

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“dialectic”
— the art of reasoning through question and answer
“sophism”
— a clever but misleading argument
“drachmas”
— Greek silver coins

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  • Learning and progress
  • Pride and humility
  • Duty and roles
  • Handling success

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