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Diogenes Laërtius · fl. 3rd century CE

Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.86 — Diogenes Laërtius on the Stoics

Translation by R. D. Hicks (1925)

Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.86

Reported speech · Diogenes Laërtius on the Stoics

As for the assertion made by some people that pleasure is the object to which the first impulse of animals is directed, it is shown by the Stoics to be false. For pleasure, if it is really felt, they declare to be a by-product, which never comes until nature by itself has sought and found the means suitable to the animal’s existence or constitution; it is an aftermath comparable to the condition of animals thriving and plants in full bloom. And nature, they say, made no difference originally between plants and animals, for she regulates the life of plants too, in their case without impulse and sensation, just as also certain processes go on of a vegetative kind in us. But when in the case of animals impulse has been superadded, whereby they are enabled to go in quest of their proper aliment, for them, say the Stoics, Nature’s rule is to follow the direction of impulse. But when reason by way of a more perfect leadership has been bestowed on the beings we call rational, for them life according to reason rightly becomes the natural life. For reason supervenes to shape impulse scientifically.
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Pleasure is a by-product that follows when a creature finds what suits it, not the thing it is first driven to seek. Animals follow impulse, but for rational beings reason takes over as the natural guide and shapes impulse, so living by reason is living naturally. This is the argument against pleasure being the goal.

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“by-product”
— a side effect that follows from something else
“aliment”
— food or nourishment
“supervenes”
— arrives on top of what is already there

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  • Pleasure and pain
  • Nature and the cosmos
  • Virtue and character

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