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Marcus Aurelius · 121–180 CE

Meditations 12.5 — Marcus Aurelius

Translation by George Long (1862)

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12.5

How can it be that the gods after having arranged all things well and benevolently for mankind, have overlooked this alone, that some men and very good men, and men who, as we may say, have had most communion with the divinity, and through pious acts and religious observances have been most intimate with the divinity, when they have once died should never exist again, but should be completely extinguished? But if this is so, be assured that if it ought to have been otherwise, the gods would have done it. For if it were just, it would also be possible; and if it were according to nature, nature would have had it so. But because it is not so, if in fact it is not so, be thou convinced that it ought not to have been so:—for thou seest even of thyself that in this inquiry thou art disputing with the diety; and we should not thus dispute with the gods, unless they were most excellent and most just;—but if this is so, they would not have allowed anything in the ordering of the universe to be neglected unjustly and irrationally.
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If it troubles you that even good and devout people die and are gone for good, remember that the world is run by powers who are excellent and just. If things ought to be otherwise, they would be, so trust the order of nature instead of quarrelling with it.

Older wording

“extinguished”
— snuffed out; no longer existing
“communion”
— close fellowship

Themes and situations

  • Death and mortality
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Nature and the cosmos
  • Fear and anxiety
  • Fear of death
  • Bereavement

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