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Marcus Aurelius · 121–180 CE

Meditations 5.12 — Marcus Aurelius

Translation by George Long (1862)

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.12

What kind of things those are which appear good to the many, we may learn even from this. For if any man should conceive certain things as being really good, such as prudence, temperance, justice, fortitude, he would not after having first conceived these endure to listen to anything which should not be in harmony with what is really good. But if a man has first conceived as good the things which appear to the many to be good, he will listen and readily receive as very applicable that which was said by the comic writer. Thus even the many perceive the difference. For were it not so, this saying would not offend and would not be rejected in the first case, while we receive it when it is said of wealth, and of the means which further luxury and fame, as said fitly and wittily. Go on then and ask if we should value and think those things to be good, to which after their first conception in the mind the words of the comic writer might be aptly applied—that he who has them, through pure abundance has not a place to ease himself in.
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A good test of whether something is truly good is whether mocking it still stings. Nobody laughs off a joke against justice or courage, yet people happily laugh at the excess that comes with wealth, luxury and fame, which suggests that even the crowd does not really believe those things are goods.

Older wording

“prudence”
— practical wisdom
“temperance”
— self-control and moderation
“fortitude”
— courage and endurance

Themes and situations

  • Wealth and poverty
  • Virtue and character
  • Simplicity and frugality
  • Reputation and others' opinions
  • Desire and craving
  • Money, status and wanting more

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