Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE
On Benefits 5.15 ¶3 — Seneca
Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1887)
Seneca, On Benefits 5.15 ¶3
This goes even further: according to this, crimes take the place of benefits, and men do not shrink from shedding the blood of those for whom they ought to shed their own; we requite benefits by steel and poison. We call laying violent hands upon our own country, and putting down its resistance by the fasces of its own lictors, gaining power and great place; every man thinks himself to be in a mean and degraded position if he has not raised himself above the constitution; the armies which are received from the State are turned against her, and a general now says to his men, “Fight against your wives, fight against your children, march in arms against your altars, your hearths and homes!” Yes, you, who even when about to triumph ought not to enter the city at the command of the senate, and who have often, when bringing home a victorious army, been given an audience outside the walls, you now, after slaughtering your countrymen, stained with the blood of your kindred, march into the city with standards erect. “Let liberty,” say you, “be silent amidst the ensigns of war, and now that wars are driven far away and no ground for terror remains, let that people which conquered and civilized all nations be beleaguered within its own walls, and shudder at the sight of its own eagles.”
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Seneca, On Benefits 5.15 ¶3, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887)
https://whatwouldstoicsdo.com/passage/on-benefits/5.15.3
Seneca, Dialogues, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887–1889). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesA rhetorical attack on civil-war ambition, in which crimes take the place of favours and generals turn the armies the state gave them against their own country, wives and altars. Ingratitude here is the betrayal of one's own homeland for power.
Older wording
- “lictors”
- — officials who escorted Roman magistrates
- “ensigns”
- — battle flags
- “beleaguered”
- — besieged
Themes and situations
- Justice and fairness
- Leadership and power
- Community and our duty to others
- Freedom
- Gratitude
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