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Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE

On Benefits 7.4 ¶2 — Seneca

Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1887)

Seneca, On Benefits 7.4 ¶2

There is nothing to prevent a thing belonging to a wise man, and yet being the property of its legal owner. According to law everything in a state belongs to the king, yet all that property over which the king has rights of possession is parcelled out among individual owners, and each separate thing belongs to somebody: and so one can give the king a house, a slave, or a sum of money without being said to give him what was his already; for the king has rights over all these things, while each citizen has the ownership of them. We speak of the country of the Athenians, or of the Campanians, though the inhabitants divide them amongst themselves into separate estates; the whole region belongs to one state or another, but each part of it belongs to its own individual proprietor; so that we are able to give our lands to the State, although they are reckoned as belonging to the State, because we and the State own them in different ways. Can there be any doubt that all the private savings of a slave belong to his master as well as he himself? yet he makes his master presents. The slave does not therefore possess nothing, because if his master chose he might possess nothing; nor does what he gives of his own free will cease to be a present, because it might have been wrung from him against his will. As for how we are to prove that the wise man possesses all things, we shall see afterwards; for the present we are both agreed to regard this as true; we must gather together something to answer the question before us, which is, how any means remain of acting generously towards one who already possesses all things? All things that a son has belong to his father, yet who does not know that in spite of this a son can make presents to his father? All things belong to the gods; yet we make presents and bestow alms even upon the gods. What I have is not necessarily not mine because it belongs to you; for the same thing may belong both to me and to you.
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Seneca, On Benefits 7.4 ¶2, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887)

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A thing can belong to two parties in different ways, as property in a kingdom belongs to the king by authority and to citizens by private ownership, so giving the king a house is still a real gift. In the same way a son can give his father a present although everything a son has is already his father's.

Older wording

“Campanians”
— the people of Campania in southern Italy
“alms”
— gifts to the needy
“proprietor”
— an owner

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  • Wealth and poverty
  • Family and love
  • Friendship

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