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Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE

On Providence 5 ¶1 — Seneca

Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1889)

Seneca, On Providence 5 ¶1

Add to this that it is to the advantage of everyone that the best men should, so to speak, be on active service and perform labours: God has the same purpose as the wise man, that is, to prove that the things which the herd covets and dreads are neither good nor bad in themselves. If, however, He only bestows them upon good men, it will be evident that they are good things, and bad, if He only inflicts them upon bad men. Blindness would be execrable if no one lost his eyes except those who deserve to have them pulled out; therefore let Appius and Metellus be doomed to darkness. Riches are not a good thing: therefore let Elius the pander possess them, that men who have consecrated money in the temple, may see the same in the brothel: for by no means can God discredit objects of desire so effectually as by bestowing them upon the worst of men, and removing them from the best. “But,” you say, “it is unjust that a good man should be enfeebled, or transfixed, or chained, while bad men swagger at large with a whole skin.” What! is it not unjust that brave men should bear arms, pass the night in camps, and stand on guard along the rampart with their wounds still bandaged, while within the city eunuchs and professional profligates live at their ease? what? is it not unjust that maidens of the highest birth should be roused at night to perform Divine service, while fallen women enjoy the soundest sleep? Labour calls for the best men: the senate often passes the whole day in debate, while at the same time every scoundrel either amuses his leisure in the Campus Martius, or lurks in a tavern, or passes his time in some pleasant society. The same thing happens in this great commonwealth (of the world): good men labour, spend and are spent, and that too of their own free will; they are not dragged along by Fortune, but follow her and take equal steps with her; if they knew how, they would outstrip her. I remember, also, to have heard this spirited saying of that stoutest-hearted of men, Demetrius. “Ye immortal Gods,” said he, “the only complaint which I have to make of you is that you did not make your will known to me earlier; for then I would sooner have gone into that state of life to which I now have been called. Do you wish to take my children? it was for you that I brought them up. Do you wish to take some part of my body? take it: it is no great thing that I am offering you, I shall soon have done with the whole of it. Do you wish for my life? why should I hesitate to return to you what you gave me? whatever you ask you shall receive with my good will: nay, I would rather give it than be forced to hand it over to you: what need had you to take away what you did? you might have received it from me: yet even as it is you cannot take anything from me, because you cannot rob a man unless he resists.”
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Seneca, On Providence 5 ¶1, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1889)

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Wealth and comfort are shown to be neither good nor bad in themselves by the fact that they are handed to the worst people, while good people take on the hardest work willingly, following fortune rather than being dragged by it. Demetrius's attitude is to hand back anything the gods ask for, even children, body or life, and since nothing can be taken from someone who does not resist, nothing can really be stolen.

Older wording

“pander”
— pimp, someone who profits from vice
“profligates”
— people who live recklessly and extravagantly
“execrable”
— utterly detestable

Themes and situations

  • Acceptance and fate
  • What is in our control
  • Wealth and poverty
  • Adversity and hardship
  • Duty and roles
  • Being treated unfairly
  • Bereavement
  • Losing money
  • Illness or diagnosis

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