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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 1 ¶2 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “On the Contempt of Death”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 1 ¶2

It was, therefore, late before poets were either known or received among us; though we find in Cato De Originibus that the guests used, at their entertainments, to sing the praises of famous men to the sound of the flute; but a speech of Cato’s shows this kind of poetry to have been in no great esteem, as he censures Marcus Nobilior for carrying poets with him into his province; for that consul, as we know, carried Ennius with him into Aetolia. Therefore the less esteem poets were in, the less were those studies pursued; though even then those who did display the greatest abilities that way were not very inferior to the Greeks. Do we imagine that if it had been considered commendable in Fabius, a man of the highest rank, to paint, we should not have had many Polycleti and Parrhasii? Honor nourishes art, and glory is the spur with all to studies; while those studies are always neglected in every nation which are looked upon disparagingly. The Greeks held skill in vocal and instrumental music as a very important accomplishment, and therefore it is recorded of Epaminondas, who, in my opinion, was the greatest man among the Greeks, that he played excellently on the flute; and Themistocles, some years before, was deemed ignorant because at an entertainment he declined the lyre when it was offered to him. For this reason musicians flourished in Greece. Music was a general study, and whoever was unacquainted with it was not considered as fully instructed in learning. Geometry was in high esteem with them, therefore none were more honorable than mathematicians. But we have confined this art to bare measuring and calculating.
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Poetry came late to Rome because it was not respected, and Cicero argues that honour nourishes the arts and glory spurs people to study, so subjects that are looked down on are neglected. Greeks valued music and geometry highly, while Romans reduced geometry to measuring and counting.

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“censures”
— criticises formally
“Polycleti and Parrhasii”
— famous Greek sculptors and painters
“lyre”
— a small stringed instrument

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  • Reputation and others' opinions
  • Learning and progress

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