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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶9–10 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “On Bearing Pain”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶9–10

A. Should this be the case, is it not to be feared that you are dressing up philosophy in false colors? For what stronger argument can there be that it is of little use than that some very profound philosophers live in a discreditable manner? M. That, indeed, is no argument at all, for as all the fields which are cultivated are not fruitful (and this sentiment of Accius is false, and asserted without any foundation, The ground you sow on is of small avail; To yield a crop good seed can never fail) it is not every mind which has been properly cultivated that produces fruit. And, to go on with the comparison, as a field, although it may be naturally fruitful, cannot produce a crop without dressing, so neither can the mind without education; such is the weakness of either without the other. Whereas philosophy is the culture of the mind: this it is which plucks up vices by the roots, prepares the mind for the receiving of seeds, commits them to it, or, as I may say, sows them, in the hope that, when come to maturity, they may produce a plentiful harvest. Let us proceed, then, as we began. Say, if you please, what shall be the subject of our disputation.
— Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶9–10 · tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)Read in context →

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That some learned people live badly proves nothing against philosophy: good soil still needs tending and a mind still needs education, and neither does well without the other. Philosophy is the cultivation of the mind that pulls out vices by the roots and plants the seeds of a good harvest.

Older wording

“dressing”
— tending or fertilizing the soil

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  • Learning and progress
  • Virtue and character
  • Self-discipline and habit

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