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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 4 ¶44 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “On Other Perturbations of the Mind”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 4 ¶44

But even envy, detraction, pity, have their use. Why should you pity rather than assist, if it is in your power to do so? Is it because you cannot be liberal without pity? We should not take sorrows on ourselves upon another’s account, but we ought to relieve others of their grief if we can. But to detract from another’s reputation, or to rival him with that vicious emulation which resembles an enmity, of what use can that conduct be? Now, envy implies being uneasy at another’s good because one does not enjoy it one’s self; but detraction is the being uneasy at another’s good, merely because he enjoys it. How can it be right that you should voluntarily grieve, rather than take the trouble of acquiring what you want to have? for it is madness in the highest degree to desire to be the only one that has any particular happiness. But who can with correctness speak in praise of a mediocrity of evils? Can anyone in whom there is lust or desire be otherwise than libidinous or desirous? or can a man who is occupied by anger avoid being angry? or can one who is exposed to any vexation escape being vexed? or if he is under the influence of fear, must he not be fearful? Do we look, then, on the libidinous, the angry, the anxious, and the timid man, as persons of wisdom, of excellence? of which I could speak very copiously and diffusely, but I wish to be as concise as possible. And so I will merely say that wisdom is an acquaintance with all divine and human affairs, and a knowledge of the cause of everything. Hence it is that it imitates what is divine, and looks upon all human concerns as inferior to virtue. Did you, then, say that it was your opinion that such a man was as naturally liable to perturbation as the sea is exposed to winds? What is there that can discompose such gravity and constancy? Anything sudden or unforeseen? How can anything of this kind befall one to whom nothing is sudden and unforeseen that can happen to man? Now, as to their saying that redundancies should be pared off, and only what is natural remain, what, I pray you, can be natural which may be too exuberant?
— Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 4 ¶44 · tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)Read in context →

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Envy and spite at another person's enjoyment of something are pointless, since you could simply work to get what you want instead of grieving, and wanting to be the only one with some happiness is madness. Pity is better replaced by practical help: relieve others of their grief when you can without taking their sorrow on yourself, and remember that a mind that can be knocked off balance by fear or anger is not yet a wise one.

Older wording

“detraction”
— belittling someone out of jealousy
“discompose”
— disturb or unsettle
“exuberant”
— excessive, overflowing

Themes and situations

  • Envy and comparison
  • Kindness and forgiveness
  • Emotions and the passions
  • Virtue and character
  • Preparing for difficulty
  • Envy and comparison

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