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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 4 ¶56 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “On Other Perturbations of the Mind”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 4 ¶56

Now, what were these inventions? Hear Thyestes: My impious brother fain would have me eat My children, and thus serves them up for meat. To what length now will not anger go? even as far as madness. Therefore we say, properly enough, that angry men have given up their power, that is, they are out of the power of advice, reason, and understanding—for these ought to have power over the whole mind. Now, you should put those out of the way, whom they endeavor to attack, till they have recollected themselves. But what does recollection here imply but getting together again the dispersed parts of their mind into their proper place? or else you must beg and entreat them, if they have the means of revenge, to defer it to another opportunity, till their anger cools. But the expression of cooling implies, certainly, that there was a heat raised in their minds in opposition to reason, from which consideration that saying of Archytas is commended, who being somewhat provoked at his steward, “How would I have treated you,” said he, “if I had not been in a passion?”
— Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 4 ¶56 · tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)Read in context →

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Anger can run as far as madness, which is why angry people are described as having lost their power over their own minds, and the sensible response is to put the target out of reach until they collect themselves or to ask them to postpone revenge until the heat cools. Archytas modelled this when he told his steward he would have punished him had he not been angry, so he held off.

Older wording

“fain”
— gladly
“impious”
— lacking respect for duty or the gods
“in a passion”
— in a fit of rage

Themes and situations

  • Anger
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Emotions and the passions
  • What is in our control
  • Being angry with someone
  • Leading others
  • Conflict at work

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