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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶54 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶54

M. Do you imagine I am speaking of him as laid on roses and violets? Is it allowable even for Epicurus (who only puts on the appearance of being a philosopher, and who himself assumed that name for himself) to say (though, as matters stand, I commend him for his saying) that a wise man might at all times cry out, though he be burned, tortured, cut to pieces, “How little I regard it!” Shall this be said by one who defines all evil as pain, and measures every good by pleasure; who could ridicule whatever we call either honorable or base, and could declare of us that we were employed about words, and uttering mere empty sounds, and that nothing is to be regarded by us but as it is perceived to be smooth or rough by the body? What? shall such a man as this, as I said, whose understanding is little superior to the beasts’, be at liberty to forget himself; and not only to despise fortune, when the whole of his good and evil is in the power of fortune, but to say that he is happy in the most racking torture, when he had actually declared pain to be not only the greatest evil, but the only one? Nor did he take any trouble to provide himself with those remedies which might have enabled him to bear pain, such as firmness of mind, a shame of doing anything base, exercise, and the habit of patience, precepts of courage, and a manly hardiness; but he says that he supports himself on the single recollection of past pleasures, as if anyone, when the weather was so hot as that he was scarcely able to bear it, should comfort himself by recollecting that he was once in my country, Arpinum, where he was surrounded on every side by cooling streams. For I do not apprehend how past pleasures can allay present evils. But when he says that a wise man is always happy who would have no right to say so if he were consistent with himself, what may they not do who allow nothing to be desirable, nothing to be looked on as good but what is honorable? Let, then, the Peripatetics and Old Academics follow my example, and at length leave off muttering to themselves, and openly and with a clear voice let them be bold to say that a happy life may not be inconsistent with the agonies of Phalaris’s bull.
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Facing pain takes real preparation, such as firmness of mind, a sense of shame about acting basely, regular exercise and the habit of patience, not just remembering past pleasures, which cannot cool a present burn any more than recalling cool streams cools you in the heat. The speaker mocks a philosophy that calls pain the only evil yet claims happiness on the torture rack, and urges others to affirm openly that virtue keeps happiness intact in the worst agonies.

Older wording

“Phalaris”
— a Sicilian tyrant who roasted victims alive in a bronze bull
“allay”
— relieve or calm
“hardiness”
— toughness, ability to endure hardship

Themes and situations

  • Courage
  • Resilience and endurance
  • Pleasure and pain
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Virtue and character
  • Illness or diagnosis

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