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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶73 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶73

This is the very same which is said by Epicurus and Hieronymus. Now, if those philosophers, whose opinion it is that virtue has no power of itself, and who say that the conduct which we denominate honorable and laudable is really nothing, and is only an empty circumstance set off with an unmeaning sound, can nevertheless maintain that a wise man is always happy, what, think you, may be done by the Socratic and Platonic philosophers? Some of these allow such superiority to the goods of the mind as quite to eclipse what concerns the body and all external circumstances. But others do not admit these to be goods; they make everything depend on the mind: whose disputes Carneades used, as a sort of honorary arbitrator, to determine. For, as what seemed goods to the Peripatetics were allowed to be advantages by the Stoics, and as the Peripatetics allowed no more to riches, good health, and other things of that sort than the Stoics, when these things were considered according to their reality, and not by mere names, his opinion was that there was no ground for disagreeing. Therefore, let the philosophers of other schools see how they can establish this point also. It is very agreeable to me that they make some professions worthy of being uttered by the mouth of a philosopher with regard to a wise man’s having always the means of living happily.
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Even schools that think virtue has little power on its own still claim a wise person is always happy, so the speaker suggests the more virtue-focused schools, Stoic or Platonic, can say it with even more reason. Carneades, acting as a judge between the schools, thought the disputes were mostly over words, since the Stoics' advantages and the Peripatetics' goods were the same things under different names.

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“Peripatetics”
— followers of Aristotle's school
“honorary arbitrator”
— an unofficial judge settling a dispute

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  • Learning and progress

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