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What would the Stoics do about being in debt?

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Debt is heavy partly because of the numbers and partly because of the shame and dread that come with them, which make it hard even to look. The Stoics never had to deal with credit cards, but they thought carefully about poverty, thrift and fear of the future. The passages below come with our notes, and with a reminder that free professional debt advice exists for exactly this situation.

The situation

I owe about £15,000 across two credit cards and an overdraft. It built up slowly over a few hard years, and now a big part of my pay goes on interest. I dread opening the post, I lie awake doing sums, and I’m too ashamed to tell anyone, even my partner.

Your situation, reframed

AI interpretation

Lying awake and dreading the post are natural reactions to a problem that feels bigger than you, and shame makes it feel bigger still. In Stoic terms, the debt is a fact to be dealt with, not a verdict on your worth; what weighs on you most at night is the fear and the hiding, and those are the parts you can start to change today.

The dichotomy of control

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Yours to act on

  • Opening the letters and finding out the real figures
  • Asking for free, independent debt advice
  • What you spend from now on, and what you are willing to go without
  • Whether you keep carrying this alone or tell your partner

Not yours

  • The interest rates and what has already been borrowed
  • The hard years that led here
  • How quickly the total comes down
  • How other people might react at first

The Stoics said

Verbatim from the source · full citations

Seneca, On Peace of Mind 9

We shall be pleased with this measure of wealth if we have previously taken pleasure in thrift, without which no riches are sufficient, and with which none are insufficient, especially as the remedy is always at hand, and poverty itself by calling in the aid of thrift can convert itself into riches. …
— Seneca, On Peace of Mind 9 · tr. Aubrey Stewart (1889)Read in context →

Epictetus, Fragments 25

It is not poverty which produces sorrow, but desire; nor does wealth release from fear, but reason (the power of reasoning, λογισμός). If then you acquire this power of reasoning, you will neither desire wealth nor complain of poverty.
— Epictetus, Fragments 25 · tr. George Long (1877)Read in context →

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.7

Be not ashamed to be helped; for it is thy business to do thy duty like a soldier in the assault on a town. How then, if being lame thou canst not mount up on the battlements alone, but with the help of another it is possible?
— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.7 · tr. George Long (1862)Read in context →

What this means here

AI interpretation

Seneca, On Peace of Mind 9

Seneca treats thrift not as a humiliation but as a remedy that is always at hand: with it, a little is enough, and without it, nothing is. He asks you to measure things by their use rather than their show, to scale your affairs down so that less is exposed to bad luck, and to look for your riches in yourself rather than in Fortune. He notes that many people are ashamed to practise thrift, and plainly thinks they are wrong to be. Your debt is not a moral failing, and nothing here suggests you deserved it; but paying it down can be the push towards a simpler and more secure way of living.

Translation note: Continence means self-restraint. Drawing our affairs into a small compass means scaling life down so that less of it is exposed to misfortune.

Epictetus, Fragments 25

This short fragment separates the debt from the dread. Epictetus argues that money on its own does not free you from fear; clear reasoning does. That matters, because the debt will take time to pay off, but the fear can begin to ease as soon as you replace sums done at three in the morning with real figures and a plan. Going round in circles in the dark is worry. Writing it all down in daylight, with someone qualified to help you, is reasoning.

Translation note: The Greek word in brackets, logismos, means reasoning or calculation: thinking a matter through rather than being carried along by feeling.

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.7

Marcus reminds himself that needing help is nothing to be ashamed of. He pictures a soldier in an assault on a town who is lame and cannot climb the battlements alone: the job is still his to do, and if another person’s help makes it possible, he should take it. Your task is to deal with the debt, not to deal with it alone. Telling your partner and asking a free debt adviser for help are not admissions of failure; they are how a hard climb gets done.

Translation note: Thy is an old form of your. Battlements are the top of a town’s walls, which soldiers had to climb in an assault.

Together the passages turn the problem the right way up. The debt is real and will take time, but the sleepless dread comes mostly from facing it in your imagination rather than on paper. Epictetus places relief in reasoning rather than in money, Marcus reminds you that accepting help is no shame, and Seneca offers thrift as something to take pride in rather than hide. None of this makes the debt disappear. It makes it a problem you are working on, rather than one that is working on you.

One action for today

AI interpretation

Sort what's yours from what isn't · the dichotomy of control

This week, open every letter and write down in one place each debt, its balance, its interest rate and the minimum payment. Then contact a free, independent debt advice service (in the UK, for example, Citizens Advice, StepChange or National Debtline) rather than a company that charges fees or offers a quick loan. Once you have a plan, tell your partner: the debt is easier to carry when it is no longer a secret.

A line to carry

“Be not ashamed to be helped …”

— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.7

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