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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 1.29 ¶10 — Epictetus

From “On Constancy (Or Firmness)”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 1.29 ¶10

But suppose that he who has the power has declared, “I judge you to be impious and profane.” What has happened to you? I have been judged to be impious and profane? Nothing else? Nothing else. But if the same person had passed judgment on a hypothetical syllogism (συνημμένου), and had made a declaration, “the conclusion that, if it is day, it is light, I declare to be false,” what has happened to the hypothetical syllogism? who is judged in this case? who has been condemned? the hypothetical syllogism, or the man who has been deceived by it? Does he then who has the power of making any declaration about you know what is pious or impious? Has he studied it, and has he learned it? Where? From whom? Then is it the fact that a musician pays no regard to him who declares that the lowest chord in the lyre is the highest; nor yet a geometrician, if he declares that the lines from the centre of a circle to the circumference are not equal; and shall he who is really instructed pay any regard to the uninstructed man when he pronounces judgment on what is pious and what is impious, on what is just and unjust? Oh, the signal wrong done by the instructed. Did they learn this here?
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Epictetus, Discourses 1.29 ¶10, tr. George Long (1877)

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If a powerful person declares you disreputable, what has actually happened to you? Only that someone has formed an opinion. A false verdict about a logical argument reflects badly on the judge, not on the argument, and the same holds when an unqualified person passes judgement on your character.

Older wording

“συνημμένου”
— an if-then statement in logic
“impious”
— disrespectful toward the gods

Themes and situations

  • Reputation and others' opinions
  • Insult and criticism
  • Judgements and impressions
  • Justice and fairness
  • Being criticised or insulted
  • Being treated unfairly

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