Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 2.16 ¶1 — Epictetus
From “That We Do Not Strive to Use Our Opinions About Good and Evil”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 2.16 ¶1
Where is the good? In the will. Where is the evil? In the will. Where is neither of them? In those things which are independent of the will. Well then? Does anyone among us think of these lessons out of the schools? Does anyone meditate (strive) by himself to give an answer to things as in the case of questions? Is it day?—Yes.—Is it night?—No.—Well, is the number of stars even?—I cannot say.—When money is shown (offered) to you, have you studied to make the proper answer, that money is not a good thing? Have you practiced yourself in these answers, or only against sophisms? Why do you wonder then if in the cases which you have studied, in those you have improved; but in those which you have not studied, in those you remain the same? When the rhetorician knows that he has written well, that he has committed to memory what he has written, and brings an agreeable voice, why is he still anxious? Because he is not satisfied with having studied. What then does he want? To be praised by the audience? For the purpose then of being able to practice declamation he has been disciplined; but with respect to praise and blame he has not been disciplined. For when did he hear from anyone what praise is, what blame is, what the nature of each is, what kind of praise should be sought, or what kind of blame should be shunned? And when did he practice this discipline which follows these words (things)? Why then do you still wonder, if in the matters which a man has learned, there he surpasses others, and in those in which he has not been disciplined, there he is the same with the many. So the lute player knows how to play, sings well, and has a fine dress, and yet he trembles when he enters on the stage; for these matters he understands, but he does not know what a crowd is, nor the shouts of a crowd, nor what ridicule is. Neither does he know what anxiety is, whether it is our work or the work of another, whether it is possible to stop it or not. For this reason if he has been praised, he leaves the theatre puffed up, but if he has been ridiculed, the swollen bladder has been punctured and subsides.
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.16 ¶1, tr. George Long (1877)
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Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesGood and evil lie only in your own choices, not in outside things, yet people practise this lesson only in the classroom. A skilled speaker or musician still trembles before an audience because they trained for the performance but never trained how to think about praise, blame and the crowd. Without that training you are puffed up by applause and deflated by ridicule.
Older wording
- “sophisms”
- — clever trick arguments
- “declamation”
- — practised formal public speaking
- “rhetorician”
- — a professional public speaker
Themes and situations
- Learning and progress
- Reputation and others' opinions
- Fear and anxiety
- What is in our control
- Self-discipline and habit
- Nerves before a big moment
- Fear of failure
- Being criticised or insulted
- Handling success
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