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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 2.22 ¶4 — Epictetus

From “On Friendship”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 2.22 ¶4

For this reason if a man put in the same place his interest, sanctity, goodness, and country, and parents, and friends, all these are secured: but if he puts in one place his interest, in another his friends, and his country and his kinsmen and justice itself, all these give way being borne down by the weight of interest. For where the I and the Mine are placed, to that place of necessity the animal inclines: if in the flesh, there is the ruling power: if in the will, it is there: and if it is in externals, it is there. If then I am there where my will is, then only shall I be a friend such as I ought to be, and son, and father; for this will be my interest, to maintain the character of fidelity, of modesty, of patience, of abstinence, of active cooperation, of observing my relations (towards all). But if I put myself in one place, and honesty in another, then the doctrine of Epicurus becomes strong, which asserts either that there is no honesty or it is that which opinion holds to be honest (virtuous).
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.22 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)

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Loyalty, honesty and family bonds stay secure only when you identify your real interest with doing right, because wherever you place your true self and your own things decides where you lean. If your will is anchored in sound character, being a good friend, son or parent serves your interest; if your interest sits in outside things, honesty gives way.

Older wording

“externals”
— things outside your control, such as money and reputation
“ruling power”
— the part of you in charge of decisions
“abstinence”
— self-restraint

Themes and situations

  • What is in our control
  • Virtue and character
  • Friendship
  • Duty and roles
  • Family and love
  • An ethical dilemma

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