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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 2.22 ¶6 — Epictetus

From “On Friendship”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 2.22 ¶6

But you may say, “such a one treated me with regard so long; and did he not love me?” How do you know, slave, if he did not regard you in the same way as he wipes his shoes with a sponge, or as he takes care of his beast? How do you know, when you have ceased to be useful as a vessel, he will not throw you away like a broken platter? “But this woman is my wife, and we have lived together so long.” And how long did Eriphyle live with Amphiaraus, and was the mother of children and of many? But a necklace came between them: and what is a necklace? It is the opinion about such things. That was the bestial principle, that was the thing which broke asunder the friendship between husband and wife, that which did not allow the woman to be a wife nor the mother to be a mother. And let every man among you who has seriously resolved either to be a friend himself or to have another for his friend, cut out these opinions, hate them, drive them from his soul. And thus first of all he will not reproach himself, he will not be at variance with himself, he will not change his mind, he will not torture himself. In the next place, to another also, who is like himself, he will be altogether and completely a friend. But he will bear with the man who is unlike himself, he will be kind to him, gentle, ready to pardon on account of his ignorance, on account of his being mistaken in things of the greatest importance; but he will be harsh to no man, being well convinced of Plato’s doctrine that every mind is deprived of truth unwillingly. If you cannot do this, yet you can do in all other respects as friends do—drink together, and lodge together, and sail together—and you may be born of the same parents—for snakes also are—but neither will they be friends nor you, so long as you retain these bestial and cursed opinions.
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Do not assume someone loves you just because they have treated you well for years, since they may value you as a tool and drop you when you stop being useful, like Eriphyle who betrayed her husband for a necklace. Cut out the opinions that put possessions ahead of loyalty; then you will be a true friend to those like you and patient and gentle with those who are not, because people miss the truth against their will.

Older wording

“opinions”
— judgements about what is good or bad
“platter”
— a large plate

Themes and situations

  • Friendship
  • Kindness and forgiveness
  • Family and love
  • Judgements and impressions
  • Justice and fairness
  • Betrayal
  • Trouble with a friend
  • A break-up or divorce
  • Family conflict
  • Being angry with someone

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