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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.16 ¶2 — Epictetus

From “That We Ought with Caution to Enter Into Familiar Intercourse with Men”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.16 ¶2

Why then are they more powerful than you? Because they utter these useless words from their real opinions: but you utter your elegant words only from your lips; for this reason they are without strength and dead, and it is nauseous to listen to your exhortations and your miserable virtue, which is talked of everywhere (up and down). In this way the vulgar have the advantage over you: for every opinion (δόγμα) is strong and invincible. Until then the good (κομψαί) sentiments (ὑπολήψεις) are fixed in you, and you shall have acquired a certain power for your security, I advise you to be careful in your association with common persons: if you are not, every day like wax in the sun there will be melted away whatever you inscribe on your minds in the school. Withdraw then yourselves far from the sun so long as you have these waxen sentiments. For this reason also philosophers advise men to leave their native country, because ancient habits distract them and do not allow a beginning to be made of a different habit; nor can we tolerate those who meet us and say: “See such a one is now a philosopher, who was once so-and-so.” Thus also physicians send those who have lingering diseases to a different country and a different air; and they do right. Do you also introduce other habits than those which you have: fix your opinions and exercise yourselves in them. But you do not so: you go hence to a spectacle, to a show of gladiators, to a place of exercise (ξυστόν), to a circus; then you come back hither, and again from this place you go to those places, and still the same persons. And there is no pleasing (good) habit, nor attention, nor care about self and observation of this kind: “How shall I use the appearances presented to me? according to nature, or contrary to nature? how do I answer to them? as I ought, or as I ought not? Do I say to those things which are independent of the will, that they do not concern me?” For if you are not yet in this state, fly from your former habits, fly from the common sort, if you intend ever to begin to be something.
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People with firm convictions, even bad ones, influence you more than someone who only repeats nice-sounding ideas without believing them. Until your new principles are firmly set, keep away from old surroundings and old company, the way a patient with a lingering illness is sent to a new climate, and keep asking how you are using your impressions.

Older wording

“the vulgar”
— ordinary people untrained in philosophy
“sentiments”
— convictions or settled opinions
“appearances”
— the impressions that present themselves to your mind

Themes and situations

  • Learning and progress
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Judgements and impressions
  • Exile and loss of home
  • Friendship
  • Breaking a bad habit
  • Moving away or exile

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