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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.22 ¶10 — Epictetus

From “About Cynism”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.22 ¶10

Reflect more carefully, know thyself, consult the divinity, without God attempt nothing; for if he shall advise you (to do this or anything), be assured that he intends you to become great or to receive many blows. For this very amusing quality is conjoined to a Cynic: he must be flogged like an ass, and when he is flogged, he must love those who flog him, as if he were the father of all, and the brother of all.—You say “No; but if a man flogs you, stand in the public place and call out, ‘Caesar, what do I suffer in this state of peace under thy protection?’ Let us bring the offender before the proconsul.” But what is Caesar to a Cynic, or what is a proconsul or what is any other except him who sent the Cynic down hither, and whom he serves, namely Zeus? Does he call upon any other than Zeus? Is he not convinced that whatever he suffers, it is Zeus who is exercising him? Hercules when he was exercised by Eurystheus did not think that he was wretched, but without hesitation he attempted to execute all that he had in hand. And is he who is trained to the contest and exercised by Zeus going to call out and to be vexed, he who is worthy to bear the sceptre of Diogenes? Hear what Diogenes says to the passers by when he is in a fever, “Miserable wretches, will you not stay? but are you going so long a journey to Olympia to see the destruction or the fight of athletes; and will you not choose to see the combat between a fever and a man?” Would such a man accuse God who sent him down as if God were treating him unworthily, a man who gloried in his circumstances, and claimed to be an example to those who were passing by? For what shall he accuse him of? because he maintains a decency of behavior, because he displays his virtue more conspicuously? Well, and what does he say of poverty, about death, about pain? How did he compare his own happiness with that of the great king (the king of Persia)? or rather he thought that there was no comparison between them. For where there are perturbations, and griefs, and fears, and desires not satisfied, and aversions of things which you cannot avoid, and envies, and jealousies, how is there a road to happiness there? But where there are corrupt principles, there these things must of necessity be.
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A person trained by hardship accepts whatever happens as exercise sent by God, as Hercules did under Eurystheus, and does not complain or call on the authorities to rescue him from every blow. Diogenes treated his own fever as a contest worth watching, and saw no comparison between his calm and the life of a powerful king, which is full of fear, envy and unmet desires.

Older wording

“proconsul”
— a Roman provincial governor
“perturbations”
— emotional disturbances

Themes and situations

  • Resilience and endurance
  • Adversity and hardship
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Peace of mind
  • Illness and the body
  • Illness or diagnosis
  • Being treated unfairly

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