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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.26 ¶4 — Epictetus

From “To Those Who Fear Want”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.26 ¶4

Ought you not to have gained something in addition from reason, and then to have protected this with security? And whom did you ever see building a battlement all round and not encircling it with a wall? And what doorkeeper is placed with no door to watch? But you practice in order to be able to prove—what? You practice that you may not be tossed as on the sea through sophisms, and tossed about from what? Show me first what you hold, what you measure, or what you weigh; and show me the scales or the medimnus (the measure); or how long will you go on measuring the dust? Ought you not to demonstrate those things which make men happy, which make things go on for them in the way as they wish, and why we ought to blame no man, accuse no man, and acquiesce in the administration of the universe? Show me these. “See, I show them: I will resolve syllogisms for you.”—This is the measure, slave; but it is not the thing measured. Therefore you are now paying the penalty for what you neglected, philosophy: you tremble, you lie awake, you advise with all persons; and if your deliberations are not likely to please all, you think that you have deliberated ill. Then you fear hunger, as you suppose: but it is not hunger that you fear, but you are afraid that you will not have a cook, that you will not have another to purchase provisions for the table, a third to take off your shoes, a fourth to dress you, others to rub you, and to follow you, in order that in the bath, when you have taken off your clothes and stretched yourself out like those who are crucified you may be rubbed on this side and on that, and then the aliptes (rubber) may say (to the slave), “Change his position, present the side, take hold of his head, show the shoulder;” and then when you have left the bath and gone home, you may call out, “Does no one bring something to eat?” And then, “Take away the tables, sponge them:” you are afraid of this, that you may not be able to lead the life of a sick man. But learn the life of those who are in health, how slaves live, how laborers, how those live who are genuine philosophers; how Socrates lived, who had a wife and children; how Diogenes lived, and how Cleanthes who attended to the school and drew water. If you choose to have these things, you will have them everywhere, and you will live in full confidence. Confiding in what? In that alone in which a man can confide, in that which is secure, in that which is not subject to hindrance, in that which cannot be taken away: that is, in your own will. And why have you made yourself so useless and good for nothing that no man will choose to receive you into his house, no man to take care of you? but if a utensil entire and useful were cast abroad, every man who found it would take it up and think it a gain; but no man will take you up, and every man will consider you a loss. So cannot you discharge the office even of a dog, or of a cock? Why then do you choose to live any longer, when you are what you are?
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.26 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)

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What you fear when you say you fear hunger is losing the cooks, bathers and attendants who pamper you, so learn to live simply like healthy people, workers and real philosophers such as Socrates, Diogenes and Cleanthes, who drew water. The only secure thing is your own will, which cannot be taken away, and cleverness with logic puzzles is no substitute for showing what actually makes people happy. The passage closes with a harsh rhetorical jibe about whether such a person should even go on living.

Older wording

“sophisms”
— clever-sounding but misleading arguments
“medimnus”
— a Greek unit of dry measure for grain
“acquiesce”
— accept without protest

Themes and situations

  • Simplicity and frugality
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Wealth and poverty
  • Fear and anxiety
  • Freedom
  • Losing money
  • Money, status and wanting more
  • Anxiety about the future