Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE
Tusculan Disputations 3 ¶38 — Cicero (on the Stoics)
From “On Grief of Mind”
Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)
Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 3 ¶38
For this reason Carneades, as I see our friend Antiochus writes, used to blame Chrysippus for commending these verses of Euripides: Man, doom’d to care, to pain, disease, and strife, Walks his short journey thro’ the vale of life: Watchful attends the cradle and the grave, And passing generations longs to save: Last, dies himself: yet wherefore should we mourn? For man must to his kindred dust return; Submit to the destroying hand of fate, As ripen’d ears the harvest-sickle wait. He would not allow a speech of this kind to avail at all to the cure of our grief, for he said it was a lamentable case itself that we were fallen into the hands of such a cruel fate; and that a speech like that, preaching up comfort from the misfortunes of another, was a comfort adapted only to those of a malevolent disposition. But to me it appears far otherwise, for the necessity of bearing what is the common condition of humanity forbids your resisting the will of the Gods, and reminds you that you are a man, which reflection greatly alleviates grief. And the enumeration of these examples is not produced with a view to please those of a malevolent disposition, but in order that anyone in affliction may be induced to bear what he observes many others have previously borne with tranquillity and moderation. For they who are falling to pieces, and cannot hold together through the greatness of their grief, should be supported by all kinds of assistance. From whence Chrysippus thinks that grief is called λύπη, as it were λύσις, that is to say, a dissolution of the whole man—the whole of which I think may be pulled up by the roots by explaining, as I said at the beginning, the cause of grief: for it is nothing else but an opinion and judgment formed of a present acute evil. And thus any bodily pain, let it be ever so grievous, may be endurable where any hopes are proposed of some considerable good; and we receive such consolation from a virtuous and illustrious life that they who lead such lives are seldom attacked by grief, or but slightly affected by it.
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Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 3 ¶38, tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)
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In plain English
AI-written notesReminding someone that loss is the common lot of every human is defended against the charge that it only comforts the spiteful, because it shows that you must bear what all humans bear and is not a boast about someone else's misfortune. Grief is just a judgement about a present great evil, and a person with a worthwhile life or a real hope of some larger good can endure even severe pain.
Older wording
- “malevolent”
- — spiteful, wishing others ill
- “enumeration”
- — listing one by one
- “alleviates”
- — eases or lessens
Themes and situations
- Grief and mourning
- Acceptance and fate
- Judgements and impressions
- Community and our duty to others
- Bereavement
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